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Seissor · Jan 31, 2006, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Originally Posted by dahlen

Well. I'm just a bit confused how the fee could drop to rapidly. Please don't flame me for this.

The older price for Droks runs was 2k. I used to run at 2k, but then decided I'd run it for 1k to help people out, and at the time I had 500k+ in sellable assets.

The Droks run nowadays is worth a 3k punt if it's a solo runner who's competent.

The price has dramatically changed, it's simply reverted back to it's old sum of 2k. There are scammers who charge 2k, 3k, 1k etc. It's not only 2k runners. Also why should beginner runners charge 3k when they have a slower completion rate? 2k is more fair to the consumer since they need to zone sometimes.

I gave up on forge running and running in general due to scammers (zomg runners can also be victims!?) I farm greens now and play hoh and I've never been richer.

CKaz · Jan 31, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by Janus Anobix

I've heard about soloing thirsty river, and after doing it in a group, I have trouble believing that it is possible to solo.

Ractoch has done nicely in UW so I have no doubt this is possible. UW and Thirsty solo aren't things I've personally done yet but soloing IDS certainly got me going in that direction, it's a fun challenge.

If you're so inclined farm and make money with it, I usually just have a goal of it and move on (got my 1 IDS for my warrior, haven't been back).

Barry Bethell · Jan 31, 2006, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by darkMishkin

I suggest you pay for some professional PR and advertising. Get a good brand image, a theme tune and a groundbreaking TV advertising campaign. Then you might even be able to charge more than 3k.

Sharp as ever mish

mattjones527 · Jan 31, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by Janus Anobix

I've heard about soloing thirsty river, and after doing it in a group, I have trouble believing that it is possible to solo.

I see where your coming from, it is quite a hard mission to complete without a competent group.

Beleive it or not its actually quite easy to solo, ive done it with my warrior using a build almost identical to that good ole premade paladin build. With the wammo solo build(many variations) its simply knowing how many of which enemies you can take on, and the patrols.

If you decide to go the MM route, its a slow start, but it almost always gets the bonus.

EDIT: fixed typos

Carla Witchblade · Jan 31, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Sereng Amaranth

People who have a good running experience probably have at least 2 more characters. And they also have guildmates. And they also have friends. The one that ran my 2nd, 3rd and 4th characters is still in my friends list and I give his name when people ask if I can run them to Droks.

And that is a nice piece of lore.

Quoted for truth.

All of the good runners that ran me are in my friends list. If a friend or guildie needs a run, I whispers them and see if they are running. The only time I need to walk into Beacon or Southern Shiverpeaks towns and post "LFR to ______" is if all of their wamos are on vacation for the next 3 weeks. Lot safer that way too, no scammers at either end.

Mandy Memory · Feb 01, 2006, 06:47 AM // 06:47

that 1 cap sig and armor that you would already have does not justify charging more

assuming it cost you 1k for the cap sig and you needed a new helm for tactics thats less than 5k if you buy all the materials at outragous prices. Oh yeah and the sup tactics...I got mine for 100....

Its EXTREMELY EASY TO RUN...try it...i bet you make it after a few trys...give free runs till you make it a few times

oh and if you arent dumb get the chests...
and if you wanna show off...dance with incoming fire, just to refil your energy...talk constantly to entertain the people...if you are gonna charge your crazy 3k...make it worth it like my cheap runs

Jessyi · Feb 01, 2006, 07:01 AM // 07:01

I don't suppose that anyone's going to mention at any point (now or ever) that getting a run from beacon's down to droks is kind of...well...stupid? I've never paid for a run down, nor have I run anyone down. Hell, I don't even know why the whole Lornar's Pass route even exists. Seems to me that if you're going to play PvE, you're doing so because you want to enjoy THAT aspect of the game, and besides, like 60% of the skills you'll get for your character are between Beacon's and Dragon's Lair. You're going to end up doing everything else anyways, so why bother? Oh right, so you can get the droks armor, since those jungle monsters are just so freakin' pwning, or so you can fight with droks armor in the Ascalon arena with your elites (should be illegal). Well obviously someone out there sides with all of you guys since Lornar's DOES exist, but I certainly don't, and as long as that's the case I can't really feel bad about the running business turning sour now can I?

-Jessyi

ange1 · Feb 01, 2006, 07:17 AM // 07:17

most of the people getting runs already had at least one character getting to hells the normal way

Mandy Memory · Feb 01, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

That or Im playing pve so I can cap skills...I really dont like pve...but I have to do it

Former Ruling · Feb 01, 2006, 10:52 PM // 22:52

"Dorknar" running is a slowing business lol.

If I search for a deal I can get free runs now >_>

Really only people i stray from are the "Free Test Runs" - not even worth it they always die.

What IS on the rise? Infusion Run costing.....

I remember a day when infusion was done as group and free >_>

But now dist 1 of Iron Mines is FULL of "Running Infusion 500gp ea, finishing mission w/ for 1k more"

Effendi Westland · Feb 02, 2006, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

What IS on the rise? Infusion Run costing.....

I remember a day when infusion was done as group and free >_>

But now dist 1 of Iron Mines is FULL of "Running Infusion 500gp ea, finishing mission w/ for 1k more"

Posted yesterday?

Iron mines doesn't have a cutscene anymore, you can run there, and the rest is left at the start and still won't be able to talk to the seer

The only bad thing coming from this is the leavers after they are infused

mattjones527 · Feb 02, 2006, 02:22 AM // 02:22

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Originally Posted by Effendi Westland

Posted yesterday?

Iron mines doesn't have a cutscene anymore, you can run there, and the rest is left at the start and still won't be able to talk to the seer

The only bad thing coming from this is the leavers after they are infused

Did 3 infusion runs today, cutscence worked every time. may I suggest you verify your facts before you post to help avoid confusion.

=HT=Ingram · Feb 02, 2006, 02:40 AM // 02:40

Running is an interesting thing that is supported by anet. they have said it was a clear way to allow for cooperation between guildies to assist new builds in early acquisitions. And I should note that though it is something they say they support it is something they did not want to be "EASY" to do.

That fact that many guilds have taken to running it for free just to teach the trade to their members in interesting. this is yet another Fair market practice that all you marketiers always want protected... If someone is charging 3k per head for the run and people feel that is inflated. then start running people for free or for less gold and you will set the new going rate... again Econ 101 stuff. When supply of runners goes up and the demand is unchanged, The Price will drop.

We can learn something from a video game? lol I love it. Economics is so cool...

=HT=Ingram · Feb 02, 2006, 02:52 AM // 02:52

If you want to drive the price back up there is a simple solution. cut back on the supply of runners in the market...

Since in this case the demand curve is not going to change that much. A Runner reduction will do wonders in driving the acceptable price back up.

Then once the market is at an acceptable level for runners, they can start their services again at elevated prices...

In reality with a total runner lockout the demand curve would adjust upward as well to allow for long term equallibrum. Thus causeing a more stable price increase. this prevents longterm economic upsurges and downturns with fluctuation. Guess what? this si exactly what OPEC does with oil in the real world. lol I swear I want to develop an econ class around the GW economy... it would be so fun to track in a classroom.

shmek · Mar 19, 2006, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by dahlen

At the moment, my income is 100% from solo Droknar runs, which gives me 15k in total for each run. (3k*5).

What really buggers me is the new "fly" or fashion .......
This is really annoying too.

pitchin in a few coins of thought....

Biggest thing in the possible devaluation (haven't looked at Beacons in months) is not that compettiton comes in and lowers the price... it is more that people who don't value their time or expertise much have finally learned to do the run "sometimes." Thus, they work cheap and care nothing about whether or not it is a good source of income to keep it stable as a run.

There is always a moron out there (found them in droves in every game so far) willing to sell their wares or services for way cheaper then most would value their time..... lots of morons = ruin your market price.

Also I would guesstimate that the scammers first cause this strong urge for a cheaper price since it is usually those that come and offer a cheap rate for suckers to jump on thinking they are getting a deal. "1k up front, 1k at droks" have seen hundreds of times there.

I don't run the place .... I still value my time .... and only ran it for a friend and own sense of completion. It is a fun run though. Don't lower your price though whatever you do... if you are quality then you are worth it.

Silent Kitty · Mar 19, 2006, 09:09 AM // 09:09

Yesterday my new lvl 9 R/W got from Ascalon to Droks for only 100G. The guy died about 100 times, and see if I care. He got the job done, and how is not so important. We had a great laugh seeing which of the runners died first

On arival I offered him 2K, but he refused. He said he had fun doing it. Money was not so important and he got more farming anyway. Not that I believed him, since one of them was still wearing Ascalon armour.
He also told me that he got scammed, by other runners, twice now. He didn't mind putting them out of business. I personally got left in the camp before Droknar too. The runner probably crashed, and didn't bother to come back to bring us that last bit. I am not bitter. I rather see an honest player die 100 times and make it anyway, or another one who dies after the first try, and than quit the party, taking the downpayment with him.

Zylo Candar · Mar 20, 2006, 10:55 PM // 22:55

I got a free run to droknars was a trial run fro the person so i thought well it's free she's asking for esperience so i'll take it. Conclusion.....
Made it first time her health never dropped below 30% so was worth it.

But i did a run for two peopel yesterday 300g from beacons to gates of kryta upon arrival (it took me awhile to lead up the area fro soem reason) i dicovered that one of my clients had split group and i couldtn fidn him anywhere and the otehr did pay up. So what does this teach me? To get them to pay outside the village they want running to with one or two groups of mobs infront i'll run people as far as i can if i get what i want from it.

Anyway good luck with runnig and i hope to see you out there.

Joh · Mar 21, 2006, 01:21 AM // 01:21

One thing I wonder though, related to running, is why everybody is advertising about being "PRO RUNNER". Nowadays it seems everyone that has done it once is "PRO". I once got in a "PRO DUAL RUN" and one of them died cause of a chase worm (which of course he couldn't help), so the other guy kept running, got to a crossing and stopped. Then ran back, hit the wurm a couple times, then kept going, turned the wrong way and after running a little while stopped again. Then he aggroed Ice Sieges and died. Don't know about you, but that's not much of a "PRO RUNNER" IMO.

Lol, and the oddest thing happened once. I was in Dragon's Lair, doing the mission with henches. All of a sudden some random guy whispered me if I could run him to Mineral Springs... Note that no one was near since I was mid-mission, and I was playing on my monk. o.O

=HT=Ingram · Mar 21, 2006, 02:07 AM // 02:07

sure whatever... 2 k 3 k 5 k . I don't care. your just pissed you got undercut on prices now you are not getting as much business... Good morning. that's the way the world works. Now that demand is LOW your price will have no choice but to drop or go out of business until there is a demand again. Personally your all a bunch or idiots. but since it blows your skirt up... who cares... But don't complain just because you got underbid. that's just the way things go when you do something your not suppose to. Of course its POSSIBLE, and for the most part its generally accepted... But it doesnt mean it will always be some imaginative fix price for such things and expect to get that for life. Heck there was a time a PC cost over $10k Now you can get a decent one for less then $800. Don't you think that pisses off the PC industry? But that's what the demand curve calls for. If they want to sell their systems or services...

Econ 101 dude. That's one thing I will give MMOs. They definitely allow for crash courses in economics...

Misa · Mar 21, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38

Ingram, you are one good econ student.

Anyways, Forge runs used to be 8k when it first started then it got cheaper (even Anet put harder spawns).

I always friendlist exp. runners. They have been running me privately for 2k and I am very happy with that.